Curse

bam23 · Jan 09, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

I don't see any punishment to hardcore players. I see help for casual players.

Dante the Warlord · Jan 10, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by tinygod

It all started with Rune Traders.

For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about.

Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months.

Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore.

And now TOMES? are you Fing kidding me.

so NO LIE. I tested it last week.

18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k.

so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point?

No its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point.

I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place.

So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense.

Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit.

CHILL OUT! Dude sry, but this game is for the casual gamers. Hardcore gamers grind to get the titles and try to obtain obsidian armor and tormented items, or some weapons even more expensive. They made mini pets for more hardcore people. The point of the game is to experience the storyline too, its important and fun to do since each mission has a unique goal. If this is becoming too easy, go play WoW, its a bit better there are more people and believe me there is plenty of grind. Or play something else...in the end, the majority of the players always win, in this case its the casual people. Besides they only implemented this TOWARDS THE END OF GW. GW is dying and pretty much going to go once GW 2 comes online. Thats why everything is so easy to get now, ANET wants people who have been casual for years to FINALLY get something cool looking.

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 10, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I can kinda see what you mean. The Econemy is at an all time low with nothing worth anything anymore, its easy to obtain everything. And well it did kinda piss me off at first but now i could give less a crap lol.
I worked for all the tings i have and i did it the hard way. I know what i had to do to get them nothing has changed at all for me.

But other people acctually seem to care more than me kinda funny lol

anyway the game is old and it wont come back to its former glory, item grinding is gone its all in the titles baby^^

garethporlest18 · Jan 10, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Icey

The OP is very selfish and sounds more like he is more interested in farming and making money than enjoying to play the game.

The latter is the reason I enjoy playing this game or any game for that matter. Rarely is about the story or other things. Just wanted to throw out there.

Gambit Shinobi · Jan 10, 2008, 12:20 AM // 00:20

I love it when elitist morons post threads crying about how ANet nerfed their previous 1337ness. ANet didn't "punish" hardcore players, they made the game BETTER and more fun for casual players to get into. Guild Wars isn't a game that caters to "hardcore" players. But that doesn't mean the "hardcores" don't exist either. Because they do and are always farming for titles, rare minis, and/or weapons and armors.

mikethevike · Jan 10, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Yeah I think the Hall of Monuments really is geared towards hardcore. Destroyer weapons are insanely priced, along with some minis. The titles monuments are also time consuming.

Saelis Scarfang · Jan 10, 2008, 01:56 AM // 01:56

You are not hardcore enough. Sorry, but spiders have pretty much always been easy to get, even before Sorrow's Furnace.

You need to stop living under that rock. SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND!

Molock · Jan 10, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

"its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point"

That is where you are mistaken. Guild Wars is not like that

bhavv · Jan 10, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by moriz

GW is not a MMORPG. if you don't accept this fact, then you'll never be satisfied with GW.

Well put.

I ended up in a huge argument in my AC a couple of days ago by stating that GW isnt an MMORPG, and is hardly an RPG either (Much more of an action game).

Not that theres nothing wrong with GW's gameplay, it is extremely action packed, and as a result maddeningly addictive and fun to play.

But if your looking for a 'traditional' RPG where high scaling leveling and equips are more your thing, GW isnt for you. WoW is better at RPG, GW is better at action and PVP.

Harrier's haste · Jan 10, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinygod

It all started with Rune Traders.

For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about.

Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months.

Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore.

And now TOMES? are you Fing kidding me.

so NO LIE. I tested it last week.

18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k.

so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point?

No its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point.

I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place.

So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense.

Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit.

Sounds like someone crying his ass out over his "life" lol
First you need to realize not everyone IS a hardcore gamer and GW isn't made for hardcore gamers. It's for everyone.(yea I seen a 7 year old playing GW in RA once

)

But seriously, no one willing give a sht if you quit. OOOO my fell blade just dropped 50k!!! Well too bad, sell it or keep it, every weapon's price degrade over time. Not just your precious little fell blade.
Also, since Anet doesn't charge monthly fees, they got nothing to lose(unless you can somehow convert everyone around you to be "anti-GW") should you quit, and once you quit, U gotta find some other game to take up your life.

And a point worth noting, GW is a MMORPG based on pvp play, not pve play. Pve is just the spices that adds flavor, not the main dish.(Go look up how many skill updates are based on pvp play rather than pve and how many updates actually HAVE direct relevance on pve play)

Get a real life, not the virtual life

(just think of it as "farming for friends"

)

Holly Herro · Jan 10, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

I lol'd.

My cat pictures are elsewhere

So I'll post a reasonable comeback instead.

Guild Wars was never intended as a grindfest MMORPG. There's enough of them on the market.
It was always meant to be casual and easily accessible, with a focus on balance - look at the in-depth PvP aspect, the skill balancings, the skill-based game play, the easily obtainable max gear, elite skins having no advantage over regular stuff, et al.

All your whining about is - lo and behold! - the game becoming more accessible to casual players. lolol

Now, gtfo mi int3rnets nad take ur fail with u

I agree and I <3 your avatar =3

Dwimmerlaik · Jan 10, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Define "hardcore Guild Wars player." I think you're missing the difference between "hardcore" and "longtime." As an old player coming back, i think tomes are amazing - why waste time tracking down skills, (maybe) needing a group to cap an elite, when you can burn 4-20k on a tome? Nevermind if you're capped at the 1k mark for purchasing skills from a trainer - most/all normal tomes go for less than that now.

This thread is pretty pointless.

Craywulf · Jan 10, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Lets do the math, There are more casual (average) players than hardcore (elite) players by a huge margin. But the casual gamers are becoming elite players without playing the amount of hours hardcore players usually do. Two reasons for that; 1) ArenaNet isn't making anymore campaigns for GW, so there's nothing for Elite players to acquire or achieve. 2) Casual players are slowly picking up the pace and are vast majority of GW players. This means that Arenanet focused appeasing casual gamers needs to sustain this franchise until GW2 comes out.

Bottomline is true hardcore elites are minority so you can scream all you want but ArenaNet isn't listening because the money trail is the Casual players.

If you are an Elite, then find new ways to challenge yourself, try hard mode, or a profession you've never done before. If you feel you've done everything in this game then don't feel frustrated, instead be happy you have played the game to it's fullest. I mean how many MMORPH have you finished from beginning to end?

ManadartheHealer · Jan 10, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

While I did find the OP to be excessively whiny, it was nearing a valid point; players who are more invested in the game should have something to show for it. I myself am a more casual player, and I had no problem when idiot Wammos ran around with Fiery Dragon Swords like they were something special; I had my collector sword with the same (or better) stats. Sure it didn't look as nice, but it was just as good stat-wise, and that's all the casual player needs to be competitive.

Casual players don't need 75k armor...all they need is the regular old 7.5k. They don't need rare weapons...all they need are collector/craftable weapons.

Bottom line: everyone should have access to the "best" gear stat wise, and not everyone should have access to items, etc., that are "rare", because then they cease to be something worthwhile.

maraxusofk · Jan 10, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinygod

It all started with Rune Traders.

For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about.

Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months.

Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore.
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whle i do agree with you that inscriptions ruined this game, vendors and traders did not. getting runes old school was a pain, but it wasnt anything that we should figh. it wasnt like getting the runes took skill, b/c msot ppl jsut bought the runes off other ppl. traders jsut cut out the middleman. thats all.

arcanemacabre · Jan 10, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by bam23

I don't see any punishment to hardcore players. I see help for casual players.

I see help for both, honestly. While things did evolve to become less exclusive and more attainable for casual players, other things were introduced for the hardcore players, attempting to please both crowds (such as more elite armor, items, areas, titles). On the whole, I think they succeeded.

Kusandaa · Jan 10, 2008, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by tinygod

It all started with Rune Traders.

For those of you who remember the days, when gathering the right runes was hard AS HELL. You will know what I am talking about.

Than they introduced a series of vendors, and traders. that made it all pointless, HOURS OF FARMING Pointless in a mater of months.

It's called "accessibility to the casual player". This game isn't only made for hardcore players. With the weapon and armor mechanics, it's basically made for the casual player, since they can get good weapons at a fairly low cost. A casual player might look at a skin and like it, but most of them probably don't even care what skin they have - the sword might be a blue, collector short sword req9 15^50 that they modded after that... but it does the exact same job as some high-end req9 gold 15^50 crystalline sword.

So with armor, my FoW set isn't any better, stats-wise, than my buddy's necro's 1k Canthan armor. Doesn't bother me at all. When ecto prices dropped after I bought my set (actually after I bought 3/5 pieces of my derv's set and got the gloves) my reaction was "lol I should have waited. Oh well." I didn't whine because the guy I took getting HIS FoW armor bought it for cheaper than I did.

So huh... where did I get punished? I just spent more time playing to get my armor, not a big deal to me.

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Nightfalls brought Inscriptions. OH THX, cool so the 10 req 9 15 ^50 Fell Blades I farmed jsut droped to 25% of their current market value Over Night. WOW, so there goes 5 months of Farming in my off time. To gather swords, That I would have eventually Sold. Because you wanted to do what? Make it incredibly easy to get the best weapons/skins in the game? I mean WTF is the point anymore.

Let's say you'd have sold the non-inscribable one for 100k. 75% of 100k: 75k. For a 25k difference, sure 25k is a substantial amount, but let's face it - better than the 300g the merch would give you for it. You're 75k richer, don't complain!

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And now TOMES? are you Fing kidding me.

Skills at 500g~ instead of 1k per, I'll take it. Yeah I bought them at 1k each, and TBH I still do when I'm too lazy to go buy a tome. I just did it a couple hours back

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so NO LIE. I tested it last week.

18 hours of game play. TOTAL = max lvl, Most elite armor in game, best runes, best incription, fell blade max stats max inscription. Best Farming Builds available through Tome usage. Total cost 150k.

so for 150k and 18 hours I have just BEATEN GW for life. There is really nothing else to want. Yeah I diddnt max out titles, or beat all 3 campaigns FINE. But is this a Single player game, where beating a story line is the point?

No its an MMORPG where getting some piece of armor or a weapon or skill that some one else doesnt have is SUPPOSED to be the point.

I look around any town and see nothing but l337 characters fully tweaked out. I cant remember the last time I saw more than 2 characters not wearing 1.5k or higher armor in the same place.

Not for me. I never cared for the storyline, found it boring through first play, even more boring all the other times. I play it to master characters, get skills, get armor, get better at the game. That's my point: getting better, learning new builds, kicking butt and making cash to kick butt in style. Then playing to get titles on my main because I feel like it.

As for armor, people still work for them - you still have to gather 75k+crafting mats for 15k armor. Just that people have found ways to get money and are spreading them around, look at the farming builds today.

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So whats next? Are they gonna input a Farm somehwere, where Dire Blackwidows spawn. And you can warp there from ascalon for 10k. And jsut tame one. Yeah that would make sense.

Seriously if they take my black widow away, and make it really easy to get Im gonna fing quit.

My necromancer has a rainbow phoenix. Needs People Know Me. TBH, I wouldn't mind if everyone would have access to it because aside from the size and looks... it's still a ranger pet. Doesn't do anything more or less than my ranger's rat. And you can get a black window in 40-ish minutes and 15-20k just by getting a spider run.

cellardweller · Jan 10, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

The best way of being "Elite" in Guild Wars is directly between the chair and the keyboard.

mrmango · Jan 10, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Farming is dumb, it's good they help players who don't want to do grinding.

vaxmor · Jan 10, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

OP is not hardk0re enough.

Come back with screenshots of dedicated Pandas, Island Guardians, Polar Bears, etc in your HoM. Then you can say that GW has punished you.

Until then, OP needs to harden up.